Posted by: Xhyra Graf | 2 February 2007

Functionally Specious

However, I disagree somewhat with their conclusion.  Even if it is a contradictory statement that we sometimes experience things “as both ordered and present” it IS so and it does happen.  We have to try to figure out what causes that to happen. i.e even if it is a memory function it is experienced as present, relegating it to memory does not remove the onus that it is ‘experienced’ as present especially since some ‘memory’ is embodied AND there has to be a functional reason why this occurs. 

I would also belabour the danger of attaching a sufficiency to ‘temporal order’ of the way things are presented to our sensory apparatus which is based on a dependence on the possibly false ‘reality of time’ in an objective durationless instant OR that one cannot experience a durationless instant subjectively-one or the other…not sure which yet. Maybe it’s not necessary to know or define which especially since I am not technically capable of that [duh]; just to assert that we EXPERIENCE as simultaneous that which may not be [i.e. somehow differently that objective reality may be carved up-speciously], it may be functionally necessary to experience things within specious time and THIS is the basis of an emergence of consciousness.

Right, if things are happening faster than we are able to process and respond to, it would be functionally necessary to evolve a method of processing that we can use-a functionally specious process…that problematically expands the difficulty of reducing consciousness to a third person view with the subsequent necessity of maintaining what is in effect the Specious ‘I’ that is the subjective point of view.  How do we quantify what is in effect an individually determined unit of measure that more than likely changes as the individual changes? Since this method carves up our experience and therefore our ‘individual reality’ differently than an objective reality it does separate the mind from the body in an important even if not conventionally ‘dualistic’ way. 

Additionally, who is to say that the subjective experience of time [and here I speak of people who are more informed through practice or repeat experience with the subjective experience of time-not as durationless, static or even progressively present, but as fluid] is the illusionistic or incorrect view since at the quantum level we seem to lose determinancy or cause and effect which is also a concept bound to a one directional view of a time that may not have a direction at all.

The real problem though is that even and especially if consciousness itself evolved as a functional illusion we cannot ignore any aspect of it because we deem it as illusory and contradictory.  We want to know the why in addition to the how of its occurrence. In other words, if an illusoriness is the functional basis of consciousness 1.) It may be reducible to simple brain states, however study/categorization of brain states only will not give us answers of any finality and 2.) duh, we can’t ignore qualia as illusory since being specious hence illusory is the most basic portion of consciousness and 3.) It turns the idea of reality being solely based on reason [which is subsumable to consciousness and the specious nature of it] on its head or at least in a Kantian way consciousness is something out of the reach of metaphysics and we will never be able to completely figure it out.

—–I have to distinguish between conscious awareness and the perceptual awareness which feeds consciousness.

Yeah, yeah…will wade through and complete this later. Right now I have to finish rereading the experience and perception of time article. 

Check out Lynds just for the turn of thought: http://www.peterlynds.net.nz/ or http://cogprints.org/3125/

Also thought this was interesting: http://itotd.com/articles/582/quantized-time/

Temporal binding…round yellow ball…

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